Haia, 1952: visitante holandês diz ao FBI que um disco poderia ser sustentado por redução de pressão e íons negativos

Date: May 7, 1952 To: Director of Special Investigations The Inspector General Department of the Air Force The Pentagon Washington 25, D. C. From: John Edgar Hoover, Director Federal Bureau of Investigation Subject: FRED J. EEKHOUT On May 5, 1952, Fred J. Eekhout called at this Bureau and advised that he is General Manager of Mouton and Company, Printers, 5 Herderstraat, The Hague, Netherlands. He resides at [address omitted], The Hague. He is residing at the Victoria Hotel, New York City, until May 16, 1952, when he will return to Europe. Mr. Eekhout advised that he has a considerable interest in electronics and has been very much interested in reports circulated during the past year or two concerning the existence of flying saucers. He feels that there have been enough uncontradicted reports concerning such devices to indicate that they may exist in fact. He is also of the opinion that if they do exist they can be produced only by the United States or Russia or perhaps by the Republic of Argentina. Mr. Eekhout indicated that he has given extensive thought to the manner in which these devices could be operated. He has concluded that since the disk shape is not suitable for conventional aircraft it would be used only because it would provide the greatest possible lifting surface. It is his opinion, therefore, that one of these devices could be operated only by reducing the air pressure above it which would cause it to rise in the air. He concedes that conventional machinery to cause such a reduction of pressure would be so bulky that its weight would prevent the device from leaving the ground. He concludes, therefore, VHB:rdm [Stamps: RECORDED - 65; INDEXED - 65; MAILED MAY 8 1952; MAY 10 1952; 62-83894-273; 66 MAY 17 1952]

that power to accomplish this end would have to be derived from the cracking of an atomic fuel such as heavy water. In that connection he states that the ionosphere surrounding the earth radiates positive ions toward the earth's surface. Many of these are dissipated by combining with particles in the atmosphere with the result that positive ions are more concentrated near the earth's surface than higher above it. He reasons that a disk could be raised in the air by emitting a great quantity of negative ions through its upper surface and causing a decrease in pressure which would result in the pressure underneath the disk forcing it upward. He indicates that somewhere between the surface of the earth and the ionosphere this pressure would equalize at which point the disk could go no higher. It could then be moved horizontally by emitting negative ions in the direction in which it is desired to move. Mr. Eekhout stated that he did not feel such a device could be remote controlled since it would probably not be possible to maintain radio contact with it. He feels, however, that the occupants of such a device would be fully protected since according to the electrical theory demonstrated by Faraday's Cage the current involved in the propulsion of such a device would concentrate itself around the edges of the disk. The foregoing is furnished for your information. {NOTE ON YELLOW: Eekhout was interviewed at 2:15 p.m. 5-5-52, by Supervisor V. H. Bailey by reference from Mr. Nichols' Office. Bureau files contain no data identifiable with him.} - 2 -

i ' .'· fREo. J. EEK HOUT LL.o. 1\ 49, STADHOUDERSLAAN I I T~E' AA~GUE THE HAGUE, October 6th THE NETHERLANDS Dep1.rtmen~ cf Justice ,;,edera.1 Btrreau of Investigatio"1 Pennsylvania Avenue WA SH INGTON D.~. In the care of Mr Bailey r~ lRm 1246 Dear Mr Bailey, Excuse me please if I misspelled your name , but I never saw it in writing. On May 5th at 2 . 15 P.M. of this year I paid you a visit in the F.B . I.offices, where I told you details on ~ 9e_d§.in subject yo11 will surely remember . At tpe end of the conversation I .E,r,grn_1sse<!_ you no~ ~,2._t~l!E, e.bo11t it un­ til _I had recei ve1 ..Y!.Q.,rd trorn x.,01.!., wheth~ gr po! t;he ryro per authorities were interested. It was taken ~or granted that a few months might elapse before the answer could be given. Five months have :,:>asse.d by since then, and as the subject has now become active in Euro::,e, I am really anxious to go a,'1ead with it, I have ofco11rse tr ied to check the theory on each aspect and while doine so I found various complementary as well as fundamental details. I have now reached the point however where I would like to discuss the who7.e w'"ith an ex')ert and! wguld ther~or cerla1nly auryr.eciate to know- whether I have to conside r O.!:!!, a_g_reernent on comolete silence~§ still being valid and necessary or not It migh"""t be that you are too busy to be able to '2 write to me of that the authorities are not interested. As ) it is not my intention to bother you too much with it, i w~ll take it that t1;_,ere is no lonBe~a.EL_~cessity for silence on ~y part ~f I do not _!e~eiv~ any in~ot~ation to the contraryoy the end of this month. ~y ~his proposition I do not intend to force an issue bu.t I would like to discuss a subject like this with scientists friends of mine , which I cannot _do as long as I am bound b3t my promise to you. /" I I .,1With very kind regards,

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Rf.COROf.D •1' ~ ~ r. , L (\l'G0lff9 Stadhoude ' ) g • 1~ The t'\!. C.J\•ji6- Mr . Tol ■on__ .....__ 11cbol■_ ..,._,,_ _ .....__ 01.aYln __ ..,...__ lklHn__ ...,,__ tA.1,IChl1n_ ......__ ,..1•. 11•._ Mllou n_ ....,__ Your letter dated October 6, 1952 , has been received . You will pe r haps r ecall being advised at the time of your visit to this Bureau that the matte r discussed was not within the jurisdiction of the FBI . Howeve r, in view of your imminent depa r ture from ~ashington the infor­ mat ion was accepted fo r tran s mittal to the appropriate agency , which was to contact you if interested . Full details wer e made available at that time to 01 the Department of the Ai r Force for evaluation and consider­ C ation . In the absence of some arrangement between you and the Air Force, your further use of t he pertinent facts is , of course, a matter fo r you r own determination. Sincerely yours , John Edgar Hoover Director NOTE OJI YELLOW: Bulet to OSI, Air Force , dated 5-7 - 52 transmitted data furnished by Eekhout to the Bureau 5- 5- 52 conce r ning his ideas as to plans .for a workable flying disc . Eekhout was informed t hat .further contact with him, if any, would come from the interested Government agency rather than the Rureau . No mention was made of his keeping the facts secre-t pending a reply from the Bureau or the Air Force . {62 - 83894-273) ;4~vc0' ~ V ~ .., <..,-,.) ~ l a.,..., October 10, 1 952 AIR MAIL ~ Fred J~ekhout ~ rslaan Hague The Netherlands Eekhout :

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